Comments on: Sympathy for the Devil https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/ Wed, 25 May 2016 05:17:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.3 By: Bicycle Gentrification - VeloReviews https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-13139 Fri, 11 Sep 2015 04:03:08 +0000 http://justanothercyclist.veloreviews.com/?p=4124#comment-13139 […] step back and look at this from the bigger picture. I’m constantly trying to push myself to see things from other people’s perspectives. And by doing that I have to acknowledge how people may judge […]

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By: Why I can no longer support my local bicycle coalition - JustAnotherCyclist JustAnotherCyclist https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-12370 Wed, 13 May 2015 14:06:37 +0000 http://justanothercyclist.veloreviews.com/?p=4124#comment-12370 […] the time of using fear of death while cycling as a means to gain social change has long since passed. I ride my bike on the streets of San […]

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By: Cyclists always have the right of way? | JustAnotherCyclist https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-7530 Tue, 05 Nov 2013 17:02:48 +0000 http://justanothercyclist.veloreviews.com/?p=4124#comment-7530 […] to reduce the presumption of risk in cycling if we are to succeed in getting more people on bikes. As I have said before, please PLEASE stop the fear mongering. We do it to ourselves as a group. We continue to use the […]

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By: JustAnotherCyclist https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-6386 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 22:58:05 +0000 http://justanothercyclist.veloreviews.com/?p=4124#comment-6386 “You are quoting the percentage out of the whole population that ends up being killed in these accidents. … It is the likelihood of these accidents when riding that is relevant.”

You are, of course, absolutely correct Andrew. When I originally drafted this article I compared the percentage of the population killed while cycling with the percentage of the population that actively cycle. However, after checking my facts before publication, I found the latter percentage (number of people who ride) to be so controversial and hard to pin down that I chose to remove that number as unverifiable. While my intent with removing that information was to preserve accuracy, I overlooked the logical fallacy of my argument without that number present.

To your second point, I personally am not sure that I’ll make the assumption that following all laws actually makes me safer on the road. While I don’t endorse rolling through stop signs and stop lights, there are compelling arguments that it is actually **safer** do that than come to a complete stop. There is also compelling evidence that it is safer to take the lane in situations where a bike lane is crammed up against parked cars instead of remaining within in the bike lane, as certain interpretations of California law would dictate I must.

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By: Andrew https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-6384 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 21:47:00 +0000 http://justanothercyclist.veloreviews.com/?p=4124#comment-6384 This is a decent point, on the relative safety of cycling.

However, you missed a couple things that I think are important here.

One – You are quoting the percentage out of the whole population that ends up being killed in these accidents. Nowhere near the whole population rides. It is the likelihood of these accidents when riding that is relevant, and that is a major contributor to the fear you cite. False stats aren’t convincing. Stating that a tiny percentage of the human population dies when trying to climb K2 does not make that a safe activity.

Two – You didn’t examine how likely it is for LAW ABIDING cyclists to be injured or killed vs. the more common type, cyclists who constantly break the law, and I do mean constantly. I ride to work most days, and I have NEVER, not once, seen a fellow cyclist who followed all the laws. Not a single time. Drivers are bad, but cyclists are downright scofflaws where I live (south SF bay area).

I believe that for riders that follow the law, and ride smartly and defensively, the risk isn’t high at all.

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By: Eric W https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-4989 Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:30:48 +0000 http://justanothercyclist.veloreviews.com/?p=4124#comment-4989 I believe you have made a very good point.

Too much emphasis have been put on the “dangerous” road and traffic conditions. It’s easy enough to ride in urban traffic. Just look around, and ride in a predictable manner following the same rules as a car. Once you join the traffic flow, it will be comfortable.

Getting people afraid to cycle because of a lack of perceived safer places to ride is counterproductive. Almost all the infrastructure we cyclists want to put in is to get people to drive cars in a more reasonable manner. It would be more effective to look at cyclist behavior and improve on that. Too many riders flail all over the street, because they don’t have a clue where and how to ride in traffic. I’m all for focusing more in improving the traffic riding skills of cyclists.

PS – There’s a typo in your last paragraph – I think Knock of should be Knock off?

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By: Pleitez literally runs — and bikes — for mayor; WA Representative blames bikes for global warming | BikingInLA https://justanothercyclist.com/2013/02/27/sympathy-for-the-devil/#comment-4953 Sun, 03 Mar 2013 08:50:49 +0000 http://justanothercyclist.veloreviews.com/?p=4124#comment-4953 […] — in August. Riverside considers a road diet, including bike lanes. Just Another Cyclist says knock off the fear mongering already. A San Francisco writer offers advice on how to drive around cyclists, including […]

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